just so you know I have run virus scan and all exe files are exactly where they should be. ie: (excuse the pun on the topic) explorer.exe is in system 32 folder and I dont think 5 anti spywares and several virus scan on several anti-virus programs lie. 0 infections. The cause lies else where. I'd also like to mention that IE8 and updates came from a cd due to me not wanting to reload agin... The computer doing this is not on the internet or network yet. So how did the stuff get there in the first place? I plan to get it connected to my router a little later today.